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I know that the ELCA has a Lenten Rosary that some members use as a prayer aid, and I have seen Anglican Rosaries. I once came across a revised rosary prayer to be used on a traditional RC rosary and was intrigued. Is there a trend towards the use of the rosary, or was it just a passing fad?

Jan 19, 2012 - 07:43 pm
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I think rosaries are pretty but of little spiritual value because I don't believe that doctrines the RCC teaches about Mary as co-redemptrix.

However I have a rosary and do sometimes meditate by saying the Gloria Patri and Lord's Prayer and the Apostles Creed when i am having a hard time praying because it helps me to focus, but I do not think it salutary toward my salvation. It just helps me to calm down and get still for about thirty minutes which is not a bad thing I think.

My Pastor knows and has no forbade it but views it as neither good nor bad so I don't worry about it. 

However concerning the prayer of Hail Mary I find nothing objectionable in it and do use it sometimes also but I don't pray it with a Catholic understanding but rather with an historical understanding which I will be happy to explain if you want me too. 

God Bless


Jan 19, 2012 - 11:19 pm
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I really think this 1 depends on the flavor of the month in the eyes of whatever parish minister is looking for faith formation tools for her/his congregation... many things like prayer beads can have significance especially for kids who need more than just ears/mouth learning - they need to be able to touch and play with things too to "get it." We don't make enough use of tools like this... But i think the fad comes and goes as far as this. In certain pockets of the country (such as the two i come from, where i was raised & where i live), Lutherans tend to shy away from anything that looks even remotely Catholic ... I'm not so afraid at all - i like interactive tools. I haven't seen the 1's you are referring to tho.


Jan 20, 2012 - 10:45 pm
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Solafide - I like your "flavor of the month" comment.  As ministers we do often float from one faith tool to another sometimes.  I can't say that I've ever considered the use of the rosary (as it could seem too Catholic - and our theology may not jive smoothly here with the Catholic church here too), but I find it interesting how when I gather with other pastors, we often trade insights into what faith tools we become aware of.

Though I generally try to avoid movements that seem a little gimmicky, there is something to be said for helping people experience their faith in new and fresh ways. 


Jan 21, 2012 - 03:56 pm
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Is there a trend towards the use of the rosary, or was it just a passing fad?


I'm not aware of any trend towards the use of the rosary.

I've got one and tried to use it.  I thought the tactile sense of holding a bead and praying for a particular topic would help my focus in prayers.  Didn't really work for me. 

Oh, and the first thing I did is grind off the face of Mary from the little charm thing that hangs from the bottom.


Jan 23, 2012 - 09:29 am
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I know there definitely is a trend toward rosaries within Anglicanism, especially but not limited to the Episcopal Church.  I have a feeling that some of this is rubbing off on some small corners of the ELCA.  

Jan 24, 2012 - 08:46 am
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Oh, and the first thing I did is grind off the face of Mary from the little charm thing that hangs from the bottom.


Haha, woah...If you ever want to start a fight with a Catholic, mention this little tidbit to them. ; )

I'vern got one and tried to use it.  I thought the tactile sense of holding a rnbead and praying for a particular topic would help my focus in prayers. rn Didn't really work for me. 


How long did you try using it? I imagine it becomes more meaningful the longer you use it.


Jan 24, 2012 - 11:14 am
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Using a prayer labyrinth is another thing that was trendy. I haven't heard either mentioned in a while. Likewise, I had a few friends in the past write essays or blog posts on an evangelical appreciation of Mary. I don't think these things are movements gaining strength, rather people discover things that are new to them as they read more broadly (the Internet makes such things very easy, of course).

I've never done the rosary myself. I have at times tried the Jesus Prayer of the Eastern Orthodox, which is simply, "Jesus Christ, have mercy on me,a poor sinner." 

What I do regularly is to repeat the Lord's Prayer because it long ago impressed me what Luther said about spending an hour meditating on just one of the petitions.

So, do what you like, it is adiaphora, and the mind is a very cluttered place and whenever we try and be quiet before the Lord a bunch of things will come to mind and such things help to quiet us. Of course, I learned long ago that you can take a piece of paper and a pencil into the prayer closet and make a laundry list until the mind is clear of such things.


Jan 25, 2012 - 12:28 pm
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Oh, and the first thing I did is grind off the face of Mary from the little charm thing that hangs from the bottom.

Why would do this?  Luther tells us she is "highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ".   I'm not saying our honoring of the Blessed Virgin ought to be Catholic-like, but certainly her image on a charm does the Gospel no harm.
Jon
 



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Jan 26, 2012 - 08:40 pm
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Is the prayer reflective of Mary or of Christ? 


Jan 26, 2012 - 10:15 pm
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Oh, and the first thing I did is grind off the face of Mary from the little charm thing that hangs from the bottom.

Why would do this?  Luther tells us she is "highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ".   I'm not saying our honoring of the Blessed Virgin ought to be Catholic-like, but certainly her image on a charm does the Gospel no harm.
Jon
 



Because the object of using the rosary was a visual and tactile assistant to focus upon prayer.  As a focus of prayer, Mary is an exceptionally bad substitute for Christ.


Jan 27, 2012 - 01:10 pm
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EJSwensson, oohhh labyrinths i forgot about those! lol zzzzzzzz flava' of the month for sure!

Jan 27, 2012 - 01:14 pm
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Is the prayer reflective of Mary or of Christ? 

The prayer is reflective of Christ (mostly)

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee (The greeting of the angel. Mary is highly favored full of grace because of the special calling she has been given, namely Christ will born through her.)

Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (The words of Elizabeth and the angel. The blessings which fall upon Mary are the result of Christ not Mary herself.)

Holy Mary mother of God (This is straight from the Chalcedon confession. It does not mean that God originated with Mary it means that which Mary had in her womb was truly and always God.)

Pray for us sinners in the hour of our need and in the hour of our death. (If you don't accept Maccabees, and a lot of Lutherans don't, then this sort of appeal is strange to your ears. However revelation does tell us that the prayers of the saints are poured out at the foot of the Throne of God so there is evidence the saints pray in Heaven.)

Where I differ from Rome is that Rome says this prayer enjoins the prayers of Mary, who being Christ's human mother has a special place in Heaven. There are some who argue for queen of heaven co-redemptrix with Christ, but even Catholics argue amongst themselves about this and the issue is far from settled. 

However Luther taught that the saints in Heaven pray but cannot hear us because our prayers are not carried to heaven by the angels but by the Holy Spirit and our one mediator is Christ. That is why I say there is nothing salvific or meritorious about the prayer. 

However in so far as it helps me to meditate on Christ I see nothing wrong with it, but I just as often pray the Gloria Patri instead because it helps me do the same thing. 

God Bless


Jan 27, 2012 - 01:17 pm
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  Because the object of using the rosary was a visual and tactile assistant to focus upon prayer.  As a focus of prayer, Mary is an exceptionally bad substitute for Christ.

All of us are, yet we use the Prayer of Simeon, for example, to focus on Christ.  The Theotokos, frankly, might be the least bad in this regard, and yet no one is even suggesting that she is a substitute.  Had you said, Pastor, that you had removed the charm, I would not have blinked an eye. 
  Jon



Jan 27, 2012 - 04:11 pm
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Ah.  Perhaps I should have mentioned that the single charm had Christ's face on one side and Mary's on the other.

So I kept the Saviour and ditched the substitute/co-redemptrix.


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